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The Infamous Chevy Chase Inn!
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A Lexington institution nearly disappeared when real estate math took over — but Chevy Chase Inn continues to survive. We sat down with CCI owners Bill Farmer of Farmers Jewelry and Kevin Heathcoat of Bourbon and Toulouse, the duo who bought one of the most iconic bars in Lexington to keep it from becoming a generic retail buildout.
We dig into CCI's roots as a 1933 neighborhood dive, the legend of infamous bartenders, and the small decisions that keep the magic intact — preserving the grit, adding craft beer without losing the soul, and building a bourbon list that doesn't punish the wallets of regular people. Kevin explains why they pour Pappy at cost, how flippers warp the market, and why the best whiskey culture still looks like friends sharing a pour, not chasing trophies.
We also get into the neighborhood lore: Budweiser history, Clydesdale parades down Euclid, and the cardboard signs that went viral. Plus the real rules of a great dive bar: no politics, no pretension, and the idea that you don't own a community bar, you steward it for whoever comes next.
If you love Lexington history, Kentucky bourbon, and what makes a bar worth saving — this one's for you!
Welcome To Chevy Chase Inn
SPEAKER_03All right, so I imagine fuck is a bad word.
SPEAKER_00Oh, go for it, I say. Yeah, and you know, you know who really, you know, is the one at the end of the day that signs off is Chad Walker.
SPEAKER_03So fuck that up.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Hi, welcome. Thank you guys so much for being here. We're back with the Inside the Block podcast, a show dedicated to Lexington and the warehouse block. But we're a little bit outside of the warehouse block limits because I'm here with Bill Farmer of Farmers Jewelry and Kevin Hethcote of Bourbon and Toulouse, who together are CCI.
SPEAKER_02Chevy Chasen.
SPEAKER_00Chevy Chasen, Lexington's most iconic historic bar. Right?
SPEAKER_04Well, yeah, you at least prove it's self-self-professed. It's infamous. It's infamous. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So, Bill, I read something recently that said that once CCI was up for to be able to buy back in like 2014, 2015, you ran into the kitchen of Bourbon and Toulouse and told Kevin that you had to buy it together. Can you tell me the story? Like what made you like why run into the kitchen?
SPEAKER_04Well, it was so important. I mean, this is something that doesn't happen that often. And I remember because Russell was standing here and said, Well, you know, whoever they were are going to sell the bar. And I said, You're kidding. And he goes, No, and I literally, I did. I ran and I did, I think, go into the kitchen. You did to the side part. I'm like, it's for sale. We got to buy it. And that's pretty much we came back over, I think, and said, We're going to buy it. Who do we talk to, or whatever? And then he put us in contact with our our first finance people that got us rolling.
SPEAKER_03And it had been for sale for over 10 years.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But um, and multiple times they had been out offered full asking price, and they said no.
SPEAKER_00I saw that multiple potential buyers were turned away by the previous owners because they weren't the right fit to carry on CCI traditions.
SPEAKER_03And yeah. Oh, that. Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03But they turned down uh multiple times. And every time I caught wind of it, um, came over and asked Russell, also known as Red Eye, who uh by the time he had to retire at COVID, he was 80. Well, he had his 80th birthday during COVID, but he had ran the bar for over 40 years.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_03And every time it came up, I would come over here and be like, Russell is against L. And he's like, nah, we didn't like him. And I love that. Yeah, yeah. And so I every time. So I caught wind of it via Bill, and I came over and I was like, you know, Russ is against L. And he's like, yeah, it's going to this time because there are health issues involved with the ownership. I was like, so it was two other groups were offering full asking price. One even went over, and it was either going to be a high-end wine bar or a retail space and likely a subway sandwich shop.
SPEAKER_04A vanilla box.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Horrible box. You know, for me and my wife, if it would have been on any other block in the city, we wouldn't have to own a bar. But it's a piece of history, and I personally couldn't walk into Bourbon Toulouse every day and see anything but the dump that it is here. It is affectionally known. Affectionally referred to as a dump.
SPEAKER_00Oh, like kind of officially?
A Bar Born After Prohibition
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Well, let me look around. It's been named properly. This bright light's doing a great job. Yeah, you know, it's uh the ceiling only leaks when it's raining.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just yeah, tears of happiness. Um, it was the blue goose in 1933, right? That was like its original bar name. Um, and it was open right after Prohibition, and it was only served beer at that time, and it was considered outside the city limits, which is just baffling to me. That was interesting. Yeah, because I don't think there's anywhere more central Lexington than where we are right now.
SPEAKER_04But when they had opened in 1950, it wasn't the last stoplight, it was the last streetlight. It was the end of the line.
SPEAKER_03End of the line, yeah. Well, this was the first suburb of Lexington, per my memory.
SPEAKER_00Yes, the Chevy Chase suburb. Yeah, for sure. So, what all have you guys done to it? Not much. Keeping the authenticity.
SPEAKER_03Now, when we bought it, um, I did an interview for the Herald Leader, and um, I was quoted that uh we're gonna do three things. We're going to um bring in craft beer, cover the back patio, and clean the bathrooms once a month, whether they needed it or not. We've been successful with uh all three.
SPEAKER_00All three of those, yeah. Yeah, great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some months are shorter than others, but yeah, yeah, but at least you keep your promises. Yeah. Absolutely to the Herald Leader for sure. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and they were rolled into some really nice brands that we didn't have and broadened it into some high-end stuff that people enjoy.
SPEAKER_03It's shockingly got a really nice bourbon collection for a little tiny, as Russell would say, nine-seat dive bar. A little nine-seat bar. Um, and you know, you go downtown and it's just horribly priced for a one-ounce four. Yeah. And we are still gonna overcharge, but it's gonna be a two-ounce four, and we at least can sleep at night, knowing that we didn't rip you off too much.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's a fine line. Yeah.
Pappy At Cost And Bourbon Hype
SPEAKER_03But, you know, it's um we price it so that people coming in on the bourbon trail. Sure. Um it's it's much better than the situation downtown, and you know, people can actually enjoy it. Um we price it just high enough that it stays on the shelf a little bit longer so that we can actually have bourbon.
SPEAKER_00Well, you were famously known for your 90th anniversary party in 2023. You had Pappy pours like at cost instead of like overcharging that. I mean, I don't think anybody does that. Like, what was the reasoning behind it? And just to make sure your average individual is able to try Pappy? Well, we did it earlier than that.
SPEAKER_03I think we did it at least once before, maybe twice. I know we had well, we had Pappy Thanksgiving and Pappy Father's Day. Um, and the first one came about because we were uh we were all sitting in here having a drink, maybe too many drinks, and the delivery guy comes in, he's like, Hey, I've got your papy today. I was like, Okay, great. And, you know, we're kind of desensitized to bourbon and we feel that it should be actually consumed and enjoyed with friends.
SPEAKER_00And not like a trophy on a shelf. Yeah, right. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03And so we're like, shit, you know, imagine if people could actually afford this and you know, everybody could actually try it. And so the idea kind of came right then. The next day we sobered up and it's like, shit, that was a good idea. So that's kind of been our thing, you know. Every couple years we will pour our papy at cost. Oh, yeah. Just so, and people line up down the street, and it just has now become a fun event. But um, you know, I would never pay for it.
SPEAKER_00Is it good? I've never had it. Like, does it live up to the hype?
SPEAKER_03Are these cameras rolling?
SPEAKER_00They're rolling.
SPEAKER_03No, I mean, personally, I'm an excellent question. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03No, I personally think it is a very good bourbon, but there are a lot of other equally as good bourbons that are priced properly. But with that being said, when it comes out of the Rick House, it's one of the most uh well-priced super premium bourbons. It's just, you know, assholes like us and our industry and the flippers. Um, they're the ones that ruin it for everybody. The flippers, that's a term. Yeah, I agree. Oh, yeah, bourbon flippers, they suck.
SPEAKER_00It's gotta be a whole world out there of that. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's a whole network. Yeah. For many brands, multiple brands, yeah, actually. And just the way that things get hype in certain ways and different trends, and yeah, how it's all related.
Restaurant Life And Bar Habits
SPEAKER_04We all always have our favorites. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I was about to say, so you own a bar. How often do you drink in your bar?
SPEAKER_04Well, daily?
SPEAKER_03That's a tough question for me.
SPEAKER_00Please say daily.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I used to, and then uh COVID hit, you know, everybody became alcoholics, and um, I don't know. We took two months off bourbon and Toulouse and closed down, and I pretty much stopped drinking.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I'll enjoy a beer here and there, but um I don't know. You know, you've got to actually go to work and do your stuff. Sure. But I've been in the restaurant industry now for 21 years of bourbon and Toulouse, probably about 25 years. And you know, it's especially a while ago, you know, coming up, it was almost frowned upon by not uh, you know, not drinking in the kitchen and whatever.
SPEAKER_00So oh, like it was it's an expectation?
SPEAKER_03Pretty much, man. Oh wow, you know, it's a bunch of misfits, like we don't fit in anywhere else. So, you know, restaurants, uh, you know, it's the most diverse and accepting uh industry I've ever seen. So, you know, I've drank more at work than you're gonna drink your entire life. So it uh done that. I just don't like waking up hung over anymore.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I hear that. I stray over here more often. But we make, I think, the best vodka martini anywhere I've ever been.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I love a vodka martini.
SPEAKER_04We use these uh anchovy stuffed olives, and it just makes an excellent, excellent, sippable, drinkable drink. It's just ice cold and beautiful. Savory. Some of my favorite pictures on my camera or my on my phone are just sitting here with that in front of me, or that and a chili dog.
SPEAKER_00So you'll have a chili dog with the vodka martini. Oh, absolutely. Amazing.
SPEAKER_04That's that's that's a great lunch. That's a really good lunch. I usually say that for Saturday.
SPEAKER_00Blowing my mind.
SPEAKER_04We close early.
SPEAKER_00How long have you had farmers? Or it was it's like a family institution, farmers. Yeah, tell me about it.
SPEAKER_04Dad started in January of 1950. Wow. It had been a jewelry store before that. I can't think of the name right now.
SPEAKER_00In this location, next to CCI.
SPEAKER_04And Dan was the watchmaker, and he that's how he he would get up and come down and repair watches from like eight and seven until nine, and he would take the bus downtown, make his deposit, come back out and open at 9:30. So he was doing the the watches early, and then once we got open, he was doing the jewelry. And that just grew. And then my mom joined him, and now my sister and I, and my son and her daughter are in it as the second and third generation folks. And we have a we have a we have fun, not as much as here, but we have fun with our family business because we enjoy uh trading with two or three generations of people from Chevy Chase and Lexington far and wide.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, your sign is an an icon of Lexington. In and of it. I mean I mean, certainly a Euclid. I mean, it's such a beautiful sign. Is it original too?
SPEAKER_04It actually uh hung on the side of the old KU building that was in downtown because there was a another jewelry store down there, and they took it down and brought it out here. And federal sign the signal, mounted it up there, and uh we still use ruggles here and there to maintain both the uh the neon and the the scintillating lights. And that is one of the things people love is when those lights come on and it you know what it just harks back to something way older than us.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it's so nostalgic. I love neon.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's a thing of the past, too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_03You can't Ruggles is the only people I know that repairs it.
SPEAKER_00And they're out of her sales, is that right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, they do an amazing job. Um, but there used to be people who repair it, uh, one being down on National Avenue.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_03He would repair all the Budweiser uh neons and he doesn't do it anymore.
SPEAKER_04So we went down one. He was blowing glass, he was doing it while we were there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it roughly amazing. It truly is, but it's it's an art form. Dying art, yeah. Well, and I think you know, when this generation of glass blowers and neon uh die off, it's it's over. Yeah, they're good.
Air Conditioned Sign And Parade Stories
SPEAKER_00So sad. But the CCI sign is fairly newish too. I read somewhere that you guys did crowdsourcing to be able to recreate that, and that your patrons were absolutely adamant that it would have the words air conditioning on it. Yeah, tell me the story behind that.
SPEAKER_03Well, I was sitting here, um, I would go to bar school when we first bought this place.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you went to bar school? Yeah, studying. Um were you a good student?
SPEAKER_03Uh maybe. Russell would uh come in here every morning. He was a man who just did the same stuff every day. And so he'd come in here and he'd stop and get a cup of coffee in the newspaper, and he would piddle around, you know, do some inventory, then he'd read the newspaper and he'd get up and do some other stuff, then he'd like read the newspaper some more, or go play pinball, and then play solitaire. And so I would just sit in here with him and really just bullshit and get story after story. I'd just pick his brain. So he wasn't teaching me how to run the bar, he was teaching me the history of the bar. And up there there was a um, I think it was the 80th anniversary. There was a coffee table book written about this. Yeah, and so the author, Sarah Razor, asked for people to bring in photos. And so upstairs are just shoebox after shoebox of old pictures, and I would bring them down and just sit there and just he'd be playing solitaire and just flip, flip, and be like, what's this one?
SPEAKER_00And he'd know the people, he'd know everything.
SPEAKER_03Wow, yeah, and he'd tell me the story, and then he'd go back doing his thing, and I'd just keep flipping and then what's this? And I saw some um pictures of a couple different signs over the years, but um, they both said air conditioned. And then the the original was air conditioned, bar, and grill, which is where the uh women's room was or is there was a little flap top. And yeah, exactly where I'd want to buy food.
SPEAKER_00Yes, but sounds great.
SPEAKER_03Um actually when Brookings closed, Sonny was a legendary cook, and I believe he came down here. And uh, you know, you get a hamburger and his sweat and maybe some you know ash from the cigarette he smokes.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely, fiber, local, very, very local, highly local.
SPEAKER_03So and that's actually where uh our Fourth of July festivities come from as well.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03Um we put a pontoon boat um in the Fourth of July parade, and I guess now it's moved on to a flatbed stage. Flatbed. Yeah, a semi-trailer, flatbed semi-trailer. Um but people drinking down Main Street, it's awesome.
SPEAKER_04Everybody drinks. Allegedly. I mean, not the kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Not yet. Allegedly, people drink.
SPEAKER_04Well, that's right. Maybe you can't do that.
SPEAKER_03No, it doesn't happen. No, it doesn't happen. We drank before and after. Um, but I was flipping through my pictures and I'm like, Russell, what's this one? It was a pontoon, but with a bunch of people on it being pulled. And it's like, I don't know, it's some parade. I'm like, of course, I see American flags. There you go. Fourth of July, yeah. That one away. Yeah. And uh when I thought we could pull it off. We I think Bill found us a pontoon, and I found a driver and found some cooler stuff.
SPEAKER_00So are you in the parade every year? Oh, amazing. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Great, it's a thing. Yeah. And they leave from here and they're already parading. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But that is that is a part of your history, though. I read somewhere that after the Fourth of July parade, they would bring their horses to CCI and then like come into like CCI and horses definitely have um a wild relationship. Like it's and funny to imagine like horses in here too.
SPEAKER_03Well, there's an iconic picture of a guy named Dickie Cole sitting at the bar and it's over my shoulder. But um, the horse came in and stuck his head on Dickie's shoulder. But the um the reason they came in was a guy named Roy Coffey and uh his girlfriend, Smothers, would always ride in the Fourth of July parade. And so Roy and his girlfriend came up here one year afterwards and had the horses. And so he's sitting outside and he ducks down and yes to the bartender. He's like, Hey, bring me a beer. He's like, We don't do curbside. You want a beer, you come in. And so he brought his horse. Yeah, honestly, I was on the I saw it happen. I was like, what's happening? Oh my god. It went on for multiple years. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, wow. So it's like a tradition.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there's some cool, cool pictures from the 80s of horses in here. Yeah, 4th of July. Yeah. So I don't know. Always heard the jokes about horses walking in a bar, but I've never been a part of it.
Budweiser Legends And Clydesdales
SPEAKER_00I know. We were talking right before we started filming about the Budweiser connection, too. Yeah. So what's the Budweiser history with CCI and Clydesdale's and all of that?
SPEAKER_04We sold so much over the years. We they they know us in St. Louis.
SPEAKER_03The uh iconic restaurant, the Saratoga, was next door. And they were actually there was a walkway back and forth um to connect them to. But anyway, so the Saratoga and CCI sold so much Budweiser um one year, they hit some record sales that they brought the Clydesdales.
SPEAKER_00Oh, neat.
SPEAKER_03And so there's some great pictures of the Clydesdales uh walking down the street, and there's a great picture of the owner at the time, his wife and daughters, um just walking with these big horse tires. No, and so uh for our 90th, we my wife Cameron, uh, who's now running the bar, she put together an event for every single month for I think the final eight months. Um we did a barrel pick at uh makersmart, she got pivot brewery to make a cider just for us. West Six made a can of beer. Um, I don't remember what else, but it kicked off with the Clydesdales. Fun. And I might have caught when allegedly that um the Clydesdales were coming to Railbird. You might have. So uh Jim Gans, who um one of the guys high up at uh Kentucky Eagle, local Bloodwaters attributor, happened to bring in a kid from St. Louis who I'd met many times over, and he was like their regional guy. And so after I fed him a few drinks, so I hear the Clydesdales are coming. He's like, yeah. And when they hit somewhere, they have to go. Um, I think it's Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, but they have to do various events. Okay. And one of them is they'll end up at a liquor store parking lot. And you know, everybody can come out and see the Clydesdales and stuff like that. But they were going to Railbird, and I said, Well, where else are you going? Like, well, we need one spot. And I was like, Well, we've got a street, and as soon as this was talked about, I just walk away. Plant the seed, walk away. Well, I went back into the back room, come back and slapped a picture on the bar. I said, Wouldn't this be cool to recreate? Yeah. There you go. And it was a picture of the clients talking on Euclid, and their eyes just got big. And I'm like, Yeah, cool. Yeah, I think we've got this one. Yeah, so good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. And I heard you you had problems keeping people like even on the sidewalks of Euclid.
SPEAKER_03It almost didn't happen. Oh, wow. Because their whole deal was they were gonna start here, go down, make a loop, come back, and uh because my wife lined this up, they were actually gonna put the two of us on there and they were gonna do a second loop on the Clydesdales?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, up there on the cart.
SPEAKER_03Oh, on the cart. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was like, whoo, yeah. With their wagon, gotcha, and so the guys who the drivers had come in the day before, and you know, we fed them plenty of beers, but they were very, very cool. But so they yelled at Cameron, like, hey, um, there's too many people here. We can't put you guys up there because they three they have spots for three people, and so it's gonna be the two of us and a driver. He's like, We've got to have a second driver. It's like, okay, cool, whatever. Yeah, and so they put us up there just so we could see and just kept looking over our shoulders, and people just kept coming and coming. And like, as far as you could see, there were people walking in from every direction, yeah, and it was so cool. And so they said, you know, first it was gonna be two drivers, and then they grabbed us and was like, This I don't think this can happen. There's not enough space. I was like, what do you need? Yeah, people have to get up on the sidewalk. Like, we're not missing this opportunity. So uh yeah, I brought out my dad voice and standing on top of a chair and just yelling, getting people to back up.
SPEAKER_04And finally I look over my shoulder and they're like, Yeah, should enough until they got to the end of the street, and then we had to get everybody to move back so they could pivot. And we were like, everybody back up, back up into the intersection down there.
SPEAKER_03It was just too many people, four, five, six deep.
SPEAKER_00And this is only like 10 years ago, right? Or a little less.
SPEAKER_03No, this was the 90th, so it would have been I don't know, 20 well, 23. I mean, yeah, 24 years ago.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. So, I mean, it reminds me of like, you know, how like downtown Lexington was known for the Christmas parade, and there wasn't, I mean, it was like just huge spectacle, but sometimes people don't show up for things like that anymore. So the fact that there was that much.
SPEAKER_03Well, if we would have enthusiasm, yeah, we would have actually programmed it, but yeah, it it was more just happened. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And when these guys got down there, they had all these reins and they're full of and these horses are coming around. Like, this is wild.
SPEAKER_03And I mean, we didn't really think much of it other than they were gonna come and do a loop and on. But it turned out that you know people wanted to see big event. Yeah. You know, we pulled every single thing in here, and the only thing you could buy was Budweiser. While you're there, straight absolutely smart. That vodka became a Budweiser.
SPEAKER_01Bourbon was a Budweiser.
SPEAKER_03Anything you ordered, you got a Budweiser. But people were buying, you know, like 12 beers at a time, taking it out on the street. Yeah. You know, I was like, yeah.
Bourbon And Toulouse Origin Story
SPEAKER_00We would have met you know, we would have done something right. Absolutely. Yeah. So how long did you own Bourbon Inteluse? You said 20-something years?
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SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Incredible. How has it grown and changed over those years?
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, when we first opened, like we maxed out seven credit cards. I had a former partner. Um, and the two of us maxed, well, I guess it was my credit cards, but we maxed out seven credit cards and borrowed 10 grand from my brother. And we opened on July 4th because we had a bill for about 250 bucks. And if we didn't pay that bill, we were out of business before we got open. Wow. And so, you know, people were walking by and hop in, and we we made about four or five hundred bucks and we paid the bill and then went and blew the rest of the bars that day.
SPEAKER_00As you should.
SPEAKER_03You had to celebrate our MO. But uh that first summer we knew we were going out of business. So we decided to have as much fun as possible going into bankruptcy. And in year two, we continued to have as much fun as possible and just kept that up for a while. But it was wild, wild times. But um, you know, like the late Lucy Myers from Ala Lucy, she gave us all the booth seats and tables and chairs, and people like just helped us out so much.
SPEAKER_00The booths that are in there from Ala Lucy.
SPEAKER_03Oh well, not from Ala Lucy, but they're like her storage world.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, cool. That's so neat. Yeah, it's so much good stuff. Yeah, that's incredible.
SPEAKER_03So, I mean, we had a cigar box as a cash register because we couldn't afford to actually purchase cash register, and everything was IOUs if you wanted to use a credit card.
SPEAKER_04So it was so every afternoon, my mom would walk by to go up to her car to get in, grab home. Every afternoon, they would give her a little thing of chili, you know. So she started going, those are nice boys. And she's everybody's just goes, You all need to go down there, they have good stuff. Try the chili. I mean, they charmed her and she became the trumpet for the neighborhood for her.
SPEAKER_00Before you had even met him, your mom was the one kind of campaigning.
SPEAKER_04In a yeah, polite way. Yeah, like business neighbors. Yeah, business neighbors, yeah. Sure. Yeah, but then all of a sudden, mom's new those boys are nice.
SPEAKER_00They're sweet boys. Making spicy Cajun food.
SPEAKER_03If mom didn't like it, she was gonna tell you. Uh great straight up. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So we can do her too. She didn't come in much, but when she came in, it was memorable.
SPEAKER_00I like a street shooter.
SPEAKER_04Oh, she would that yeah, that that would be one. You want a sapphire ring? Boom, there's a sapphire ring. You want me to wrap it? That was her clothes. You want me to wrap it? Yeah. Oh, yeah, sure. By the way, how much is it?
What Makes A Real Dive Bar
SPEAKER_00I love that. Okay, so is Chevy Chasen officially a dive bar and what constitutes a dive bar?
SPEAKER_04Oh, I mean, if you look around, you're looking at absolutely a dive bar. This is a very dumb question. I can find them a mop or a broom or something, but they're not first hand.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, not handy. Um they've done their once a month cleaning of the the restrooms.
SPEAKER_04Um the glassware's clean. Yeah. The bottles come and go pretty quick. I don't know. We just, you know, well, you kick stuff out of the way every now and again.
SPEAKER_00And keep on going. Put everybody to work.
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SPEAKER_03But I mean, to answer your question, yeah, it's absolutely a diable. Yeah. Um, and you know, it's uh I can't even say rough around the edges, it's just rough. But this has been going since 1933. Like, you know, this is one of those situations. If you had a hundred million dollars, you could not recreate this. Right. And it's it's just been building upon building itself over time, snowballing, snowballing to the thing that it is. Um, and you know, to me, a dive bar, yeah, it's it looks a lot like this. I mean, it's gruff and cheap drinks, you know. One of the things about dye bar, it's always got cheap drinks, you know, and it's uh it's simple, but also it's community. Yeah. Um, no matter whether that's a college dive bar in another town or something like that, or Green Lantern, um, even Charlie Brown's, like it's one of those things, it's not just about the appearance, it's not just about the cheap drinks. And you know, we right here, we're not gonna make you a craft cocktail. No dive. The rule here is liquor and one mixer, two mixers if we like to. I mean, that's all you can do. You want a Ben Hedden? Get on the road.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but a vodka martini.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, yeah. It depends.
SPEAKER_00But that's only two and two or three ingredients anyway, right?
SPEAKER_03Russell, you I mean, we got martini glasses, but Russell always said, uh, I've only got three glasses. So three martini a day. First come, first served. Yeah, but then you would wash the glasses and put them away and be like, you know, they'd be like, Well, Russell can have martini, you know. You've got the glass, it's clean. No, I have three glasses, I make three martinis a day.
SPEAKER_00I love this.
SPEAKER_03And you know, it's the characters also that make a dive bar. Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_00You know, and CCI historically, I mean, all my research, like you're known for your regulars throughout the decades. I mean, they are loyal patrons. Some have been coming for like 40 years daily. I mean, well, who who is the tip like right now in 2026? Who's the typical regular? Or is there a typical regular?
SPEAKER_03Who's who's the crowd? In 2015, the typical regular was happy hour. Yeah. And, you know, you walk in here and there's so many affluent people. Um, you just wouldn't know it because they are just salt-of-the-art common folk, but happen to have a big bank account. And, you know, so there's doctors, lawyers, judges. Um, but when we bought it, they were all older and had been coming in here for 30 years, but they used to stay here all night, and then it just kept getting earlier and earlier. And you know, the time we bought it, it was just come in two, three hours and then go home. But we knew that if this was going to work, we had to bring in a night as well, and so you know, our regulars now are the same guys. One of the proudest things we had is we didn't lose a single regular. No, so the fact that we didn't run anybody off, that's very proud of that. Paramount. But now it's you know, this is I don't know if it's all on the front door, this is not a college bar.
SPEAKER_00I did. I was about to ask. Yeah, yeah. Like, so what's the reason?
SPEAKER_03We actually have a viral video on TikTok and Instagram. Yeah, it's not a college bar. Yeah, tell me, tell me that too. Well, but as far as regulars go, yeah, um, you know, our if we have to have a college kid in here, it's the one, you know, three weeks before they graduate, kind of like, oh shit, why am I finding out about this now? So there's something to that. Yeah, you're right. Our ideal college student is, you know, in law school, med school. Like those are our college kids. Um, and then everything in between. And you know, so the neighborhood um is very good to us. But you come in and demographic changes as the night goes on, but they're all good people, uh. And they all treat this place with respect, and this is their bar. And they enjoy this. This is not a bar. This isn't a bar you go to, it's definitely a drinker's bar, too. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. It's it's through a lot of what I've read too, it's like a very destination type bar. Like you don't, it was mentioned a couple of times, like you go to CCI to be there all night. Like you're this isn't a spot that you just like bar hop from. And maybe that's a location thing too. I mean, there's definitely like other options around here, but that says something about your clientele too, you know.
SPEAKER_03It's another great bar.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03It's uh Charlie Brown's is um now 52 years old. They're uh, you know, 40 years younger than us. We always clown that's our kid brother, but it's another amazing bar that time cannot or money cannot recreate. But you know, so people will leave here at night, go over there and grab some carryout and come back. Bang, come back over, or come from next door with your stuff.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and just sit here at the bar and eat and drink and for two more hours.
SPEAKER_03But to your point, no.
SPEAKER_04I mean, once you're here, you're going home afterwards.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. So one way or another. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Some people just get to the car, man. You see a lot of Ubers out there.
Cardboard Signs And House Rules
SPEAKER_00I'm sure you do. Absolutely. Oh my god. I love that. Okay, speaking of TikTok and videos, we have to talk about your signs. So um the king of cardboard. Can I just say walking in? This is the first time you and I have met. I was like, oh my gosh, he actually has like a really great smile. You have a great smile. But you like, I would have never known that from all of your videos because you look mean as hell with those signs. So, where did the signs come from? What's going on? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Uh you know, you gotta back up to we hadn't owned the bar that long. And um it was National Margarita Day, huh? And so someone, I think it was Bill, but somebody said, Oh my gosh, National Margarita Day, we should make a video on, you know. Oh, that's right. We started in here behind the bar. Yeah, and so you know, it's kind of one of the okay, let's do that. I got this, and it, you know, I it is very funny. Um, and it's on social media, but um basically I made a margarita, it was secret of CCI's margarita, and you know, made this horrible margarita.
SPEAKER_00I was gonna say, like, it doesn't seem like y'all style. No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Said something about, you know, that's shitty or something. And you know, we're in Kentucky, and for it's big old shadow makers mark.
SPEAKER_04That's the answer.
SPEAKER_03And so then that was the first one, and it just, I don't know, it was funny, it worked, people enjoyed it. And so when there was something to be said or something going on, you know, it'd be like, hey, we should make a video. All right, cool. Yeah, you know, give me a couple shots, and then we're they record. Oh my god. Where does the cardboard come from? Just boxes. So the cardboard, oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's just like believe it or not, deliveries. There's there's cardboard that's really good, and there's cardboard that's not. I believe it. Yeah, my wife and I become connoisseurs of cardboard. You wouldn't think so, but you know, but maybe my life would go in different places. Your money maker. But um, so we had a couple minor incidents with um college kids over the course of a week or two. Well, anything bad. Much different than anything you would see in any other bar. And but we don't put up with it. You know, we don't put up with disrespect, we don't put up with people picking on other people or anything like that. And we always, always, always keep an extra eye out on women to make sure that this is a place that they feel safe. And I mean, that's first and foremost. Anyone who comes in here, we want to make, you know, make them feel safe, make them feel comfortable. It doesn't matter, you know, who you are, what you believe in, sexual orientation, it just does not matter to us. Um, so we're very, I don't know about that. But there was a couple incidents, and like, you know, this didn't happen. And so, Rob, our bartender and bar manager said, you know, declared this is not a college bar and had our resident sign maker make a sign and went on the wall. And so we're walking in here. Cameron and I were walking in here one day, and she's like, gotta make a video of this. You know that guy who signs, cardboard signs? Like, yeah. She's like, You're gonna do that. Okay, okay, I didn't know what I was walking into, and I don't like whatever. And then it made a sign about uh no not a college bar. I think it was like we like I don't know, we like our bourbon the way we like something and age.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I don't know, yeah. So that went viral.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03Um and because of that, Cameron's like, we're gonna do this again. And it's just kind of been again and again. And we only do it when we have something to say.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I'm noticing I I think it's clever. Like you're not overdoing it. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03And if we don't have anything to say, which we haven't in a while, so totally we're not doing anything. Yeah. But um, I guess the stone phase comes from the fact that I didn't want to do it. You know, it's like we're doing great ideas, but um you're doing it. She wants nothing to do with it.
SPEAKER_00But it's also you don't move at all. I mean, like there's no, yeah, it's it's stone faced, but also like there's no, you know, difference of you thinking to yeah, it's it's so good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And because it's a joke with a stone, yeah, it works.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, scribbling on cardboard and holding it up, you would think is a pretty easy thing and quick, but they we think on these things for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, there was one about Patino that we were sitting at a women's basketball game, and for some reason something was said, and we oh, I guess we realized Patina was coming back um and we were playing him, and so she's like, Oh my gosh, what about this? So we thought about it for about a month. Wow. Yeah, but she and I are so good together, we just bounce stuff off off each other. And I mean, we were driving earlier, and it's like, hey, what do you think about this? And just go back and forth. But usually it takes multiple days for us to just keep going back and forth.
SPEAKER_00Until the word the wording is just right. Ah, that's it. That's amazing. Whose handwriting is it?
SPEAKER_03Oh, it's mine.
SPEAKER_00I don't think people know that either.
SPEAKER_03We don't have good handwriting, but it is definitely more with a marker, you're gonna be like, Yeah, with a marker, yeah. Well, that's the other thing. Um, but she has horrible handwriting, embarrassingly bad sometimes. But um we're gonna edit this, right? Yeah, of course. Yeah, right there don't edit it. But um so you know, it's so slow and meticulous and like writing it out, and then I cannot spell at all. Oh no, and I mean, I will end up throwing markers because I'll, you know, take so much time in doing it. And then I'm like, all right, check it. And she's like, Yeah, it's bad.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Oh, I love it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I just like to see it's fun. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's always always a good. I think you should just leave it and let people figure it out. There's been a couple of them that weren't caught. Slipped through.
SPEAKER_03Um, I think. I'm misspelled Christmas.
SPEAKER_00Oh, amazing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Be like, oh, CCI's got a new holiday. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And yeah, somebody, one of our friends is like, oh, you did that so it wasn't offensive. And I was just like, no, he did it because he can't spell.
SPEAKER_00Still meant Christmas.
SPEAKER_04That the one no politics of CCI. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's right. No, I have that written down too. That was written in um, let's see here.
SPEAKER_03Well, it was written when it was uh two person, Sanders, Hillary, and um uh Trump.
SPEAKER_00Well, even in 1976, Ford versus Carter, Mike Tuey. I don't do you guys the CC art long time bartender says CCI regulars rarely discuss politics. We're a sports crowd. In fact, I had to get a Kentucky State basketball uh rule book to settle arguments to like keep at the bar. That's really cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And you know, again, I guess it comes back to Rob. It was he was sitting in here and you know, just kept hearing it and hearing it. We'd have to break up political arguments, and you know, nothing good's gonna come of politics. Of course not, yeah. You know, it's either I believe what you believe or I don't.
SPEAKER_00And it's especially when you're drinking too, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and so he got pissed one day and just took a marker and scribbled on a sign, no politics and CCI, and put it up, and it's been there ever since. Very effective. That's great.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so no college kids, no politics. I like it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I don't know.
Plumbing Chaos And Community Traditions
SPEAKER_00But chili dogs and vodka martinis. Like, why don't I drink there more often? These are all the things I like. That's right. Um, okay. So what's next for CCI and keep on keeping on? Any other events, stuff in the mix, goals, anything like that?
SPEAKER_04Goals, clouds. Why would we ruin it with a goal?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, why would we ruin it with a goal? Goals for a dive bar.
SPEAKER_03I would say uh, you know, one, yeah, keep it on. Our goal has been to never change this bar. Love it. Um, you know, it's been the way it's been since the day it's open. I mean, some of the stuff, this is an old farmhouse, and some of the old stuff's still in here, but yeah, on the wall. Yeah. You know, I don't think we're not the owners of CCI. We do not own Chevy Chase In. We're the stewards that are holding on to it for the next stewards. But this is this is a bar we like to come to. This is a bar that my wife and I are fortunate. We get a bartend, you know, Bill gets to come in here every day. But I do, you know, it's not our bar, it's uh it's our regular bar, it's communities bar, it's Lexington's bar. Hell, it's anybody that comes in on Bourbon Trail that finds it, it's like this is different.
SPEAKER_04People who haven't been here in 30 years or come back to town will come seek us out. Absolutely and we'll remember things or tell us things. Yeah, it's just it's it's wonderful to them.
SPEAKER_03I've learned so much from people that haven't been here in years that come in, like Bill said, just pop in or like tell stories.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But you know, I would say for us, for me personally, the goal would be to just keep this bar as is and to uh make sure the plumbing still works.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Oh yeah, I saw the reason. It was like, this is a hundred-year-old plumbing. Please don't flush anything but yeah, just your toilet paper and hopes and dreams or something.
SPEAKER_03I think it still says that in the uh used liquor. Yeah, yeah, used liquor. Yeah, recently we had a plumbing issue. Um as you alluded to here. But um the pipes in the women's room kept clogging up and couldn't figure it out. And Mike Watson, Watson's plumbing came in every time. It was, you know, he had to come in once every two weeks, then once a week, and then it became every couple days. And so, you know, he worked really hard to try to figure it out, and it was just one of those deals that those pipes are done.
SPEAKER_00Can't figure out okay, well.
SPEAKER_03So the women's room was shut down and while he was trying to figure this out, and then we got the call on a Saturday that the men's room toilet was clogged up and couldn't get it unclogged. That'll kill you. That's so we had to close down. Like we only closed down on Christmas Day. That's it, traditionally, one day a year. One day a year, and we had to close on Saturday and Sunday because somebody flushed a rose stem down the men's room toilet. Flushed a what? A rose.
SPEAKER_00Like a rose on a stem, like a flower. A rose rose. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And Cameron was here when uh Mike pulled it out, and she's like, Why is there asparagus? Yeah. And he's like, No, no, no, that's a rose. Look at the thorns.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So, you know, it lodged itself in there and finally collected enough toilet paper and whatever. Um, and so it clogged up. And so I um so he finally got that figured out, and then the women's room couldn't get figured out, and so Mike had to put a new toilet in there, and I would invite you when it was over to go look at our uh on my way. I promise you, there is no other situation like that. You think you're on a state of Lexington, but probably the state of Kentucky. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. You haven't been in there really? I haven't. No. Go meet Myrtle. Oh, it's got a name. You ruined it. Um I want to hear her scream.
SPEAKER_00Why a rose though? Some like jilted lover that was like, oh, she doesn't want me anymore. I've got to flush this. It's anyone's guess.
SPEAKER_03Rose, but um, um, the uh oldest florist in town, they're two doors down, and they instead of throwing away the roses that you're in flowers that are too old. Sell but still good. They put a bucket out front, and people love it in the neighborhood. Grab you go stop and get them all. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04It's just amazing.
SPEAKER_03And so, you know, you'll see roses come in next door. You'll see them go in in here. And I don't know. Some guy decided it was a good idea to flush one. Wow. I would rather go with Hopes and Dreams because you went with a rose. Oh, and that was tough to be closed. It was just so unusual. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because you're supposed to be so you're open seven days a week, then. Is that right?
SPEAKER_03364 days a week. Wow.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Incredible. Only close Christmas.
SPEAKER_03I think it was in the 80s. They had to put a new bar in here and do a couple other things. And it was just a catastrophe. It was closed. I think they closed on Friday, I believe. And they promised they were going to reopen the following week, the following Friday. And you know, Russell was telling me a story that they weren't going to make it. And they stayed in here all night, whatever, and they got the construction guys to get it finished. But people were out there waiting to open it, I think, five o'clock. And people were just waiting. And they all grabbed cleaning supplies and they cleaned all the dust off everything. It's their bar.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. You know, so like you said, it's it's for the community. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And so it's, you know, this place doesn't close unless it truly has to.
SPEAKER_00And you know, well, it doesn't sound like anybody wants it to, so it's good.
SPEAKER_04As long as the ice machine works, we're in business.
SPEAKER_00And the toilets. Well, that too. That too.
SPEAKER_04Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.
SPEAKER_00It's so good. Well, thank you guys so much for being a part of this. I learned so much. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. You know, that's one of those. Any last-minute things you want to say to old Chad Walker?
SPEAKER_04Well, he came by earlier to leaven the proceedings and moved on along. He's been a great supporter of this whole part of town, especially for us. He's been very helpful.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. Chad's been a huge supporter of the neighborhood. And um I've known Chad for probably 20 years now as a customer and now friend. And what they did down on National, you know, I think his father and brother, I think, were originally, I'm sure, I don't know. I think it's one of those deals that Chad's just the mouthpiece.
SPEAKER_00Family, family biz, yeah.
SPEAKER_03If he's smart enough to do it himself, you know what? They stick the camera in front of him. He's all right. He does pretty well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, uh he can put a couple sentences together here and there. Yes, he can.
SPEAKER_03Chad's a great guy.
SPEAKER_00He is.
SPEAKER_04They're doing great things down there.
SPEAKER_00They sure are. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Made his destination. Yeah. And it was nothing. Growing up, it was nothing. You no one even drove drove through there. Didn't even cut through there. The liquor store. On the corner. Oh, liquor store. Sportsman's.
SPEAKER_00Sportsmen's.
SPEAKER_04Some stories in sports. That's where I would go in when I'm sorry. I'm not telling that story.
SPEAKER_00Not on camera. We'll cut and then you can tell that.
SPEAKER_04Well, it's all about carrying yourself.
SPEAKER_03I have a feeling it's uh like a lot of stories that start in here from the older folks. I started drinking in here when I was 14. I started drinking in here when I was 15. Yeah. This was a long time ago, but they were that age. Yeah. I was like, oh, it's just a different time.
SPEAKER_00Because there was somebody that was uh on in one of the newspapers that was interviewed that was like, I've been drinking there 60 years or something. And it was like, and this person was like 75. I was like, the math is not mathing as well. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03But you know, Russell always said, Oh, it's just it was just a different time, you know. He would get done with his paper route and come in here.
SPEAKER_00Paper route. Yeah, yes, yeah. So we're really young. Gotta get a beer after the paper route.
SPEAKER_03And he's like, you know, doc would let you have a beer or two, and then like, all right, boys, you gotta go. Yeah, skid.
SPEAKER_04Different time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Oh, and I agree, you gotta go. Yeah, here's one that could get on. Yeah. And Doc ran it forever. He was great.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Uh 1961 ad. Come to Doc Robinson's Chevy Chase In, specializing in green beans, hog jaw. Hog is spelled H-A-W-G, turnip greens, cornbread, and all the good vitals, good folks like. So there was some food here at one point. Yeah, and I was like, I had to look up vitals. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04When it's holiday, people bring things down here. People bring food. I mean, I came down here one night, went home, and I wasn't hungry, and Kim was upset. I said, Well, they had so much good food, I had to eat it. Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_03Well, again, it comes back to community. You know, Thanksgiving, everybody brings a dish to your you know, your family gets together and they bring a dish. Well, this is family. And so if there's a chance to have a family uh dinner, we do. And basketball games, football games, there's pop lux in here. We do a Friendsgiving. That's the one. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Somebody makes little sandwiches with ham and cheese, and they're so good. They're so good.
SPEAKER_03Then Cameron caught wind. We've got a regular Greg, and you know, Greg doesn't have any family here, and he was stuck here. And we forgot to have Friendsgiving. That's right. And so he was like, you know, kind of moping one day, like, that's that's my favorite meal of the year. And she felt so bad.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That she's like, all right, we'll do something for Christmas. It's like, okay. So now we I think we just hit the third annual Gregmas.
SPEAKER_00Oh, great. Way to make it up to him. Yeah, yeah. Your name's enshrined. Yeah, always forever.
SPEAKER_03It's not Greg, it's Grieg. Yeah, Grieg.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03But you know, that's what this place is all about. It's all about family and friendship and community. Well, if you can't give and take a little bit in here, you can't you can't stay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_04I mean, grief goes every which direction in here. Yeah. And it's great fun.
SPEAKER_03It's great fun. Oh, bartenders, uh, myself included, will, you know. Yeah. I don't know. We'll offend anyone and everyone that's commentary. Commentary. If we don't pick on you or yell at you, then we don't like you.
SPEAKER_00Wouldn't have it any other way.
SPEAKER_03If you're sitting in here and you've been coming in for a while and you're not getting picked on, you probably should find a different bar. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00Well, on that note, thanks again for having us here. Come down to the CCI so you can get better done. Not at all. This is great. Thanks, y'all. No, Runo. We appreciate it. Of course. So good. Awesome. Y'all are so good. This is like one of my favorite interviews ever.